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Milennin · Jun 29, 2007, 08:35 AM // 08:35

Vanquisher, Guardian, Skill Hunter and Cartographer. The titles you can't get by doing the same brainless thing over and over again.

Navaros · Jun 29, 2007, 09:06 AM // 09:06

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Originally Posted by Milennin

Vanquisher, Guardian, Skill Hunter and Cartographer. The titles you can't get by doing the same brainless thing over and over again.

I found that Skill Hunter is indeed mostly just doing the same brainless thing over and over again. Killing the same exact easy mobs in the same exact zones duriing 6-10 different trips (depending on the Chapter) just to be able to cap everything in that zone. Mineral Springs is probably the most tedious example but the Skill Hunter title is chock full of nothing but such brainless repetition throughout every continent. Oftentimes the boss you need doesn't even spawn in Tyria hence you must do the whole brainless thing over again for that reason too. Agree with you about Guardian and Vanquisher, though.

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Originally Posted by Sir Green Aluminum

I see bashing on all the other titles for heavenly grind but no one bashes the guardian and vanquisher titles so please allow me to spit on the titles you worked on and put them on the same level as the ones you don't have.
Okz, those two titles pve nuff said. Just kidding but I can use the same arguements you used against the other titles to bring it down: They take a large ammount of time, there's an easy way out. Just guild it with over powered builds or solo builds. Beating Ai's it's nothing special.

You don't know that people don't have the titles they bash. Probably they do in many cases which is why they know the reality of what having the title means.

Actually what is said here doesn't really apply to Guardian or Vanquisher because there are no overpowered builds for HM. HM can't be "steamrolled" like NM can.

Beating AI may not be special in and of itself. But, considering that the player is also vastly handicapped in terms of having way worse stats and way lower levels than the monsters, that makes it an accomplishment to beat it under those handicaps. Certainly at least it can be a lot harder to succeed in HM than it can be to use a cookie cutter build in PVP and steamroll an enemy team in PVP. With the dawning of HM, PVP enthusiasts who try to make the case that PVP is harder and therefore according to them, more respectable than PVE, don't really have much credibility to that argument in my view.

Lafayette · Jun 29, 2007, 09:51 AM // 09:51

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Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken

PvP titles are farmed by PUGs all day long. PvE titles are farmed by people all day long. They're all just time and/or gold sinks.

If you consider, say, Protector of Elona to be a "time and/or gold sink", then surely you could apply that characteristic to *any* playing in the game, be it any mission or quest or killing in any explorable area - seeing as that is precisely what the protector title (and PvE itself) is about. Likewise for other protector and guardian titles. Missions and quests are a substantial component of what PvE is; if those titles are just time and gold sinks, all of Guild Wars PvE must be too.

Subsequently, if PvP is all about people farming and grinding for titles, etc., then all GW players are just spending their time on "time and/or gold sinks" and/or farming. Which either doesn't say much about the Guild Wars player base or doesn't say much about your interpretation of titles.

So here's an idea: distinguish between various titles. Lucky and unlucky are gold sinks. Some people achieved allegiance titles through farming and a time sink (Lutgardis runs, for example). Others grinded to their Renowned Hero. But then there are those people who played the game. Completing missions is surely part of "playing the game", as is killing enemies for vanquisher, completing missions again on HM, and to a degree the exploration and skill-hunter titles are also.

If you consider activities such as completing missions to be a time sink and PvP to be about farming, one has to ask: why is it that you play the game? And if you do play, surely there's little wrong with time and gold sinks and perhaps a little PvP farming? - especially if one gets enjoyment from it, because you would have done some of the same activities as these time and gold wasters and PvP farmers, unless you've never done PvE or PvP.

Doomus · Jun 29, 2007, 10:14 AM // 10:14

My view is that titles (and 15k armour, and rare skin weapons) are just for a player's own satisifaction - I barely notice them on other players tbh. I love explornig and knowing that I've been everywhere and found every outpost and as a result some of my chars have a cartogtapher title on them, but I certainly wouldn't expect any respect or recognition from others for doing that.

Squalus the Ipno · Jun 29, 2007, 11:31 AM // 11:31

IMO all titles are worth cause players have spent money or time to obtain them. There are titles difficoult to obtain and others not so. Personally i do not like people who spam His/her title "for free" saying "i'm the best" and "you are a stupid noob or whatelse"
Hope you understand what i've written (my english is not so good)

william1975 · Jun 29, 2007, 12:57 PM // 12:57

I'm trying to get as many max titles as possible, and i'm happy with the ones i have got so far, however i agree with some posts that the Cartographer, skill and protector titles are easy to get so not prestigious, and yes i have them all. I have one Legendary Survivor, and i got it one my own, without skill capping, other than the ritualist ones as it was on my ritualist, and whiel i think mine is hard got, i understand those that think down on it due to the way some people get it, so i don't think its prestigious either.

I havent seen any Legendary vanquishers, or Guardians, and those tsks are hard as im workign through them, so to me that woudl be prestigous to gain.

To an extent the high end pvp titles for hero and gladiator are prestigious to me as i find the latter extremely difficult to get and the former is time consuming tryign to get teams, though i think those gettign them are probably peopel in guild specialising in it so maybe they dont have terrible pugs to contend with anymore.

Moa Bird Cultist · Jun 29, 2007, 03:21 PM // 15:21

My guild leader has Legendary Guardian, Legendary Skill Hunter and Legendary Cartographer and hence, "I'm Very Important." That, imo, is pretty worthy of respect. A friend of mine has r5 and Gladiator r1. He, however, also has a life so I also think that's worthy of respect.
I Have protector of Tyria and Cantha. I also have 99.8%* Cartographer on Tyria and believe me - cartographer is not as easy as most people make it out to be, especially where Tyria's concerned. So anyone who has Tyrian GMC/Legendary Cartographer has my respect.

*0.0% Photoshop FYI

In my eyes, any title is worth noticing provided that they've had the dedication and patience to achieve said title. Thats not least because I don't have that sort of patience myself.

dustbunny · Jun 29, 2007, 07:06 PM // 19:06

As far as the PvE game, I would put the legendary vanquisher and the legendary guardian on the very short list that raise an eyebrow. They are different things, but both indicate that the person that acquired them by his or her own abilities know a modicum of how to play well and play as a team. Chances are high, as well, that he or she knows and can use and control hero/henchmen well.

Where they differ is a second dimension to it. Legendary vanquisher is harder than legendary guardian in that it takes more time, in my opinion. There are more zones and each one takes usually an hour or more. However, it is also easier than legendary guardian in that you have time on your side and you only have to have tactics to deal with pretty much one scenario - divide up the enemies by pulling and then thin them down one by one at your leisure. A guardian, by contrast, has to develop tactics that, in addition to skill selection and party construction, can handle the varied types of scenarios that the missions throw at them. There are ones that are timed so it's a race against the clock in addition to survival. There are guard/save/escort NPC type missions. There are many defend-the-fort type missions where the enemies will come wave after wave at your location, regardless whether you've finished the previous foes. However, there are also fewer missions and really only a handful in each continent will pose difficulty. However, when they do, it's a significant challenge. With a guardian, you can go at a mission try after try and have nothing to show for it at the end of 2 or 3 hours. With vanquishing, you are pretty much guaranteed a zone after that amount of time. Yes, it is possible to wipe out at 60DP and have to start over, but that's probably really rare. I've vanquished Elona and that has not happened once. People usually bring DP-erasing devices. Or you can buy morale boosts at shrines when your region has favor to prevent that from happening.

P.S. evaluation based on finishing up a lengendary guardian who has vanquished Elona and working on the other two continents.

TheRaven · Jun 29, 2007, 07:49 PM // 19:49

I guess the bottom line is that you cannot judge a player on their title. I think any title can be bought, even the high end PvP rank emotes. (Fame farm service anyone?)

I kinda like the Skillz title. I currently don't know of a way this one can be bought or afk'ed. Perhaps I'm wrong and there is a way I haven't discovered yet.

I'm surprised at the number of responses that listed Skill Hunter as one of the titles they respected, but also pleased since that is the title I'm going for and want to display. (So far, all Warrior Elites learned and working on Ranger next. Got a smattering of the other professions.) This title doesn't seem particularly difficult. Most bosses can be reached easily and killed easily in normal mode with a full team of henchies. It's a bit expensive at 1k per cap sig, but I earn back almost 1k getting to and killing the boss.

I've started a new character for the purpose of trying for survivor. Got my fingers crossed. I've had rotten skill keeping my characters alive in the past, so we'll just have to see how it goes with this one. I plan to earn it the honest way playing thru the game. No runs and no buying quest items for cheap experience. I won't team up with others on any missions where a wipe is possible except possibly guild friends who will know in advance what my survivor goals are.

I don't expect respect for my survivor title (if I earn it) because of course the average joe player won't know how I earned it.

I have a friend ingame. He's a nice kid, but a bit immature and definitely not a very good player. He's your typical Wammo. Always charging into the fray whether the rest of us are ready or not and always dying every 2 seconds. The other week he came to me bragging about his brand new character with the Legendary Survivor title and crowing about his awesome achievement.

Hmmmm, I know this guy so I questioned him a bit. He admitted that he paid a guildie a handsome sum of gold to run him thru the game and get him the title, but still he considered it "an awesome achievement". I did not.

It doesn't matter to me. I'm a title hog. I want 'em all!!!!!!! One day perhaps I'll get there and when I do, I'll have the satisfaction that I did it without runs, without buying un-ided junk and without ebay.

Diddy bow · Jun 29, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

Only champion, skill hunter and explorer and treasure hunter really, i can relate to treasure hunter

. And i fell explorer and skill hunter take hard work. (although you can buy skill hunter now) and i fell champ takes alot of skill.

Commander, hero, glad. How well can u farm usign flavor of the month, meh.

No respect for any of the buyable titles, a little for wisdom i suppose.

I guess i respect legendary vanquiser and guardian a bit, but i couldnt care much for hard mode

imo a nice weapon or cool armor beats a little sentence under your name any day

Tingi · Jun 29, 2007, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Protector

Chamption - to an extent

Two April Mornings · Jun 29, 2007, 08:52 PM // 20:52

champion
legendary cartographer / guardian / vanquisher

agrios · Jun 29, 2007, 09:44 PM // 21:44

IMHO,

Titles are all about ego. These people just want others do bow before then, like there were some kind of virtual messiah for a reason unknown to me.

They want to be recognized ingame for the amount resources and effort spent on the game...but wait...

Aint games supposed to be fun? If someone is playing a game - this or any other - and not having fun with it whats the point to do so??

Have you ever heard of someone who wished to be recognized for having fun? I did not.

I could care less about titles.

Thats my 0.02.

l Batman l · Jun 29, 2007, 10:41 PM // 22:41

Legendary Defender of Ascalon

cR4zY-n^ · Jun 29, 2007, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Legendary Survivor. (especially more of them in garage. xD)

Survivor farming and crap talks are stories for little kids. Please, if you so disrespect it why don't you try it yourself? After all, all of you claim how titles should actually be personal thing. So go for it normal way and when you finalise it (which I seriously doubt) come here and say you don't respect it for "not being what it used to be".

Thorondor Port · Jun 29, 2007, 11:58 PM // 23:58

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Originally Posted by korcan

whenever i see the following titles...

rank 9+ hero
legendary vanquisher
rank 6+ gladiator
rank 10+ faction allegiance

i think... "jeez, it must be nice to have tons of free time and absolutely no real-ife responsiblities."

all other titles that dont require money except for protector, i think

"if u like all that grind, youd love wow"

money sink titles i could care less about cause

#1. u either farmed the money for it
#2. power traded the money for it
#3. ebayed the money for it

if you fall under categories 1 & 2, plz refer back to what i think about people who have rank9+ hero, vanquisher etc. titles.

if you ebayed the gold for it, good for u! way to use that brain of yours.

if you dont like guild wars dont play.

Dione Davore · Jun 30, 2007, 12:09 AM // 00:09

PVE Titles that I have respect for:

Legendary Vanquisher (14 area's to go *yay*)
Legendary Guardian

PVP Titles I have respect for:
Champion
Hero's Ascent

Wortless titles:
Event titles
Skillhunter (became worthless with Tomes)

Sir Green Aluminum · Jun 30, 2007, 01:24 AM // 01:24

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Originally Posted by Navaros

You don't know that people don't have the titles they bash. Probably they do in many cases which is why they know the reality of what having the title means.

Re-read thread

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Originally Posted by Navaros

Actually what is said here doesn't really apply to Guardian or Vanquisher because there are no overpowered builds for HM. HM can't be "steamrolled" like NM can.

Beating AI may not be special in and of itself. But, considering that the player is also vastly handicapped in terms of having way worse stats and way lower levels than the monsters, that makes it an accomplishment to beat it under those handicaps. Certainly at least it can be a lot harder to succeed in HM than it can be to use a cookie cutter build in PVP and steamroll an enemy team in PVP. With the dawning of HM, PVP enthusiasts who try to make the case that PVP is harder and therefore according to them, more respectable than PVE, don't really have much credibility to that argument in my view.

If you've been to any elite area they want overpowered builds or else it's /kick. Visit elite areas that people hm farm it's 134 ping builds use sf bip ss. No cookie cutter builds for pve? Solo monks, solo builds. The developers said they designed hm so that a person with only hero/hench can beat HM, search it. AI>PCs is what your saying? I believe you. Believe that you are a pve'r.

Lord Natural · Jun 30, 2007, 02:30 AM // 02:30

A lot of people keep bringing up the "any title can be farmed" argument, and hiding behind it. Usually the people who stand by this philosophy are those who are, for whatever reason, unable to reach a high level in a difficult title. The bottom line is, there is a scale of difficulty to all titles, starting with stuff like sunspear and ending with champion. Just because the small minority ebayed, or farmed, or whatever, does not make the title itself meaningless. It would be almost impossible to "farm" King's Hero or Conquering Champion without learning a great deal about game mechanics, even if you used stupid builds for the duration.

Titles are just a representation of experience, nothing more. If someone has Vanquisher and Guardian Titles, it's a safe bet they are experienced pve'ers. If someone has a high rank hero or champion title, it's a safe bet they have a good understanding of game mechanics. There will be exceptions of course, but this is the internet. It's not like anyone should be taking things too seriously. Considering the title difficulty scale though, at the end of the day, I'd much rather group with a King's Hero or Conquering Champion than a Tyrian Trailblazer, regardless of how they got there.

jhu · Jun 30, 2007, 02:35 AM // 02:35

meh, they're all just titles and don't do anything special (except for lightbringer, sunspear, and kurzick/luxon). personally, i have 2 of the cartographer titles on one character only because i like seeing the entire map without fog! on my other characters, there's so much fog on the map it just looks ugly.